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	<title>Comments on: IOS FTP Vulnerabilities: Backdoor or Honest Mistake?</title>
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		<title>By: dre</title>
		<link>http://www.veracode.com/blog/2007/05/ios-ftp-vulnerabilities-backdoor-or-honest-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-482</link>
		<dc:creator>dre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 20:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok.  sorry.  I blame cisco for their thickly veiled advisories.  cisco circa 2007 advisories look like cert advisories in 1997.  where&#039;s the info?

notice how their external customer-facing bug-tracking system usually removes all information, if visable/viewable at all.  we should consider ourselves lucky that cisco even talks about what protocol this affects.

cisco sdlc surely needs work, but i&#039;d rather that they &quot;make nicer&quot; with vulnerability reporting and information.  cvss is a marketing checkbox for cisco, oracle, etc.  what operators need is real information, and one normally only gets that in passing via the nanog, cisco-nsp, or nsp-sec mailing-lists.  or through rigorous personal verification, which either involves reverse engineering against the IOS EULA or purchasing from ebay/graymarket.

cisco really works from the grotesquely outdated mainframe cathedral model of computing: load new code; reload; pray.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok.  sorry.  I blame cisco for their thickly veiled advisories.  cisco circa 2007 advisories look like cert advisories in 1997.  where&#8217;s the info?</p>
<p>notice how their external customer-facing bug-tracking system usually removes all information, if visable/viewable at all.  we should consider ourselves lucky that cisco even talks about what protocol this affects.</p>
<p>cisco sdlc surely needs work, but i&#8217;d rather that they &#8220;make nicer&#8221; with vulnerability reporting and information.  cvss is a marketing checkbox for cisco, oracle, etc.  what operators need is real information, and one normally only gets that in passing via the nanog, cisco-nsp, or nsp-sec mailing-lists.  or through rigorous personal verification, which either involves reverse engineering against the IOS EULA or purchasing from ebay/graymarket.</p>
<p>cisco really works from the grotesquely outdated mainframe cathedral model of computing: load new code; reload; pray.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Eng</title>
		<link>http://www.veracode.com/blog/2007/05/ios-ftp-vulnerabilities-backdoor-or-honest-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-481</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Eng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 18:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dre, 

Regarding your comment on our &quot;lack of clue&quot;, the way Cisco described the DoS attack scenario is not dependent on the ability to execute arbitrary commands/code.  

Of course you can take down service if you have arbitrary command execution.  I think you&#039;re missing the point.  What they describe is an alternative method of disrupting service, namely &quot;Repeated exploitation of the vulnerabilities could lead to an extended Denial of Service (DoS).&quot;  You have to ask, why would one need to repeatedly exploit the vulnerability in order to disrupt service?  The answer, I presume, is that during the IOS reload, the service is unavailable.  So if you repeatedly and indefinitely force IOS to reload, you&#039;re causing a DoS without ever actually executing arbitrary code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dre, </p>
<p>Regarding your comment on our &#8220;lack of clue&#8221;, the way Cisco described the DoS attack scenario is not dependent on the ability to execute arbitrary commands/code.  </p>
<p>Of course you can take down service if you have arbitrary command execution.  I think you&#8217;re missing the point.  What they describe is an alternative method of disrupting service, namely &#8220;Repeated exploitation of the vulnerabilities could lead to an extended Denial of Service (DoS).&#8221;  You have to ask, why would one need to repeatedly exploit the vulnerability in order to disrupt service?  The answer, I presume, is that during the IOS reload, the service is unavailable.  So if you repeatedly and indefinitely force IOS to reload, you&#8217;re causing a DoS without ever actually executing arbitrary code.</p>
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		<title>By: dre</title>
		<link>http://www.veracode.com/blog/2007/05/ios-ftp-vulnerabilities-backdoor-or-honest-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>dre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>highly unlikely that this was planted by an insider.  I have no idea about the details, only passingly heard about the vuln before you posted.

cvss is borken, and I mean BORKEN.  this doesn&#039;t even apply to people who do not have ftp configured... and it&#039;s not a default.  most people I know use scp, or possibly tftp over ipsec.  sure, many enterprises still do unencrypted tftp - yet somehow this ftp vuln is worse than cleartext defaults that everyone has been doing for years.

as for remote code execution - yes, that means IOS, but if you&#039;ve read Hacking Exposed Cisco Networks, you&#039;ll know that it&#039;s possible to run an IRC server or whatever you can dream up under IOS.

as for the denial-of-service, I am truly disappointed to hear veracode &quot;lack of clue&quot;... I mean, if remote code execution is possible then of course service could be taken down and resources could be used in any manner the attacker desires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>highly unlikely that this was planted by an insider.  I have no idea about the details, only passingly heard about the vuln before you posted.</p>
<p>cvss is borken, and I mean BORKEN.  this doesn&#8217;t even apply to people who do not have ftp configured&#8230; and it&#8217;s not a default.  most people I know use scp, or possibly tftp over ipsec.  sure, many enterprises still do unencrypted tftp &#8211; yet somehow this ftp vuln is worse than cleartext defaults that everyone has been doing for years.</p>
<p>as for remote code execution &#8211; yes, that means IOS, but if you&#8217;ve read Hacking Exposed Cisco Networks, you&#8217;ll know that it&#8217;s possible to run an IRC server or whatever you can dream up under IOS.</p>
<p>as for the denial-of-service, I am truly disappointed to hear veracode &#8220;lack of clue&#8221;&#8230; I mean, if remote code execution is possible then of course service could be taken down and resources could be used in any manner the attacker desires.</p>
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